Feedback on the Moderating Team

[Mechacide]

Please use this thread to give feedback on the moderators and moderating team.

You can only post in this forum if you are a guest, so please sign-out before posting, and then sign back in afterwards. If you want people to know who you are, feel free to use your normal username. Do not pretend to be another user, however, as we can check IPs and it will result in an instant ban.

Please be sensible, and polite. Just because we can't always see who you are, doesn't mean you can flame and be rude (we can still ban you via IP )

And bear in mind that just because you've voiced an opinion, or have an issue with someone or something, doesn't mean it will definitely be resolved.

[*****]

Just want to add only me and mecahcide will be able to check ip addresses no other mod can

[CC]

I already spoke to Deebo and Mechacide about this, but it needs to be posted, as per the intentions of this thread. I haven't felt that Sunlighter's been acting as appropriately as a moderator should. Partially, it has been due to the literary content of her posts, which seem rather condescending towards multiple users, and frankly, insensitive. Yeah, it could just be her humor, but that doesn't mean it's okay. Deebo has told me on a couple occasions that he used to call Lili a whore, but stopped because users found it offensive. All I'm saying is maybe tone it down a bit.

Secondly, there's the gif/image spam. There's nothing inherently wrong with posting images and/or gif files, but she does it constantly, and at pretty unhealthy rate, now that she doesn't have to wait a minute between posts. This isn't a matter of taste. There have been measures taken in the general talk and forum games sections to cut down on what has been deemed spam, and posts that do nothing but clog the server are included in that. I don't think she's the only one responsible of this type of spam, but she certainly hasn't been discouraging it, nor have any of the other mods (though they aren't participating in said spam as frequently as she is).

Don't get me wrong, she does her job as a mod (closing threads, making sure no inappropriate images are posted, etc.), but when I consider her as a fellow user, I'm not exactly thrilled to see her posts. And no, it's not the requirement of a moderator to be liked. However, it is a requirement to behave at a standard higher than that of the regular user. Moderators represent the site, and as such, should cultivate a respectable image.

[Broski of the Week]

Paragon is a joke of a moderator. An absolute joke. The way she bashes characters almost makes me long for the days of Deebo calling Lili a "silly whore", frequently breaks rules around here (especially with those sigs of hers. You mean to tell me she can post those sickly looking twins groping eachother, but someone can't even post a tame pic of a wrestler or an actor? Really? Come the fuck on.), flames people frequently (myself being one of those people), and is frankly just a bad representative of the site. Shit, she's part of why I stopped showing up here at first. It's such a shame, really.

If I had to choose a "Team MVP", per se, it'd have to be Razer. She'd be the head mod around here, or at least one of em, if I were in charge. She might be a liiiiiiittle standoffish occasionally, but she really does have the best interests of the site in mind, and tries to keep the drama to a minimum. Not to mention being on top of garbage threads like gangbusters. She's about the most consistent mod you've got around here, and you'd be an utter fool to kick her off the team.

Muggs and Tofma are right behind her. Both are extremely helpful, good at handling problem threads/members, and, in especially Muggs' case, really friendly too. Can't say I've had a bad interaction with either one of em. Definitely keepers.

Jurn, Zank, and Ang (I can't call you whore, man.) are good too. The thing with Jurn and Ang is, they're not around as much as you'd expect a staffer to be. Like, when they're here, they keep everything nice and tidy, but it ain't as often as you'd want.

And speaking of not being here, I can't remember the last time I saw Tiex around here. Pot calling the kettle black, I know, but still. Shows up maybe once a week? I don't wanna throw him under the bus, cause our interactions have generally been good, but I dunno. Just seems like Trick Trap was back in the day. Good bloke, but not around often enough to be a mod.

No real opinion on Gotenks or Mêlée. Good folks though.

[Abhishek]

This is CC, posting on Abhishek's behalf. He was unable to post in the forum for some reason, despite being signed out, so he copy-pasted what he wanted to say to me. This is a heads-up for when Mechacide and Deebo check IPs.

This is gonna be my last post in a while, plus I'm short on time, so I'll drop a few words on a few members of the team.

Sunlighter - If you're a moderator, you should behave like one. I guess I say this for quite a lot of the members here when I say she's easily the most hated member. I don't even need to add anything to what Cosmic said, he covered everything.

Gotenks, Melee and Mugg - I don't even see them around enough, and that alone says something about how they do their job. You can make as many excuses as you want but fact is, you can't be active, you're not a good mod.

Razer and Tofma - probably the only moderators who do the job properly, Razer more so than Toffee. Both act like a mod should, patrol the forums frequently and maintain a good rapport as well.

That is all.


Please do not post details of anything posted in the Moderator Forum - Mecha

[Mr. Anonymous]

Paragon is without a doubt a disgrace and mockery to the mod team. I believe she ONLY got the modship because she was good friends with Mecha (and also remember him saying he was happy all his friends were now mods and I know he was responsible for the new mods when they replaced almost the whole group about 8 or so months ago) and because of her being a model (which I still question is actually her as she's incredibly active here for being a mod).

Paragon displays absolutely NO credibility as a standard that mods should set. She before being a mod blatantly broke the rules, was modded, posted inappropriate content, did blatantly obvious trolling, made many insensitive and offensive comments about people's weight (saying people who look like Julia are ugly and fat and need to die for example) (her calling people fat when medical terms say they're perfectly healthy is ridiculous), interests and appearance. All of this would happen even when the conversation wasn't applying to her.

Then when she became a mod it got worse since she then was able to abuse this behavior by mostly getting away with it. It is an absolute JOKE to see this person as a mod or have any power above that of a regular user. I've encountered many regulars who were FAR more mod material than she was. Paragon was actually one of the major reasons why I stopped being a regular on the site. The fact that she was not held accountable for her behavior and then set bad examples and had her own group of followers (sometimes encouraged by the mods like Mecha) was just too much to bare and I got fed up. I may not agree with the mod system completely but I at the very least respect they try and at least have a system in place. It's order and Paragon is a complete threat to it and chaos in the most opposite way possible. I honestly thought she was acting and putting on a facade of being a stereotypical ignorant blonde model with a skewed vision of the world, reality and beauty. But apparently I was wrong or she's just that great an actress.

At this stage it's FAR too late to ask her to just change. She would just be getting away with it. If Paragon is to be mod then she needs to actually EARN it. Of course she'd have to be stripped of the title first and work her way up to it. But honestly, I don't feel it should be up to just one mod to promote another. Or the admin. I think there needs to be a meeting between all of you and you set up some system like votes and such to decide. That way there will be no real bias of mod choices. If things have changed since I last checked then I apologize as Paragon and a few other issues I had with this site drove me away from being a regular. But final verdict is remove her mod position and give it to someone worthy. Her staying a mod just insults everyone. Especially the people like myself who were either trolled by her or had to share words with her about her behavior.

Mecha I feel is not a bad mod at all. But I felt he was given too much unrestricted power in the early stages. And a lot of his bias clearly showed up too. Hopefully some of that power was lessened by now. I remember 6 or so months ago when I first came and Lars was what everyone on this site talked about. His appreciation topic was huge (it DID crash the site supposedly and why no thread can go over a 1000 unless a special case like the Jun thread was). And I remember making lots of joking posts about the character that many people saw it as me seriously hating him. So I was attacked relentlessly for it and Mecha despite being the most prominent mod there did NOTHING and occasionally was part of the problem. Then I remember how characters made appreciation topics and I saw Azazel got a depreciation thread. So I made a Lars one for fun. And immediately I was again slammed by Lars fans and Mecha didn't do anything to calm them and locked my thread without a fair conversation. You're supposed to have freedom of speech as long as it is not against the rules. Such a thread is NOT against the rules. And he NEVER closed the Azazel depreciation thread. It was quite obviously the most unfair and bias treatment on this site I have seen besides Paragon's shenanigans. Mecha and I will never truly get along due to us being two different people which is fine. I have nothing against him but his power is too much for him. Distribute it more is what I'm saying if it hasn't already. I know things have changed a lot over the months structure wise so again, sorry if some of the issues I have have already been addressed.

I don't see Tiexandrea enough to consider them a mod. Mods are supposed to have an active presence (at least on this site) and this mod is rarely ever seen. Just what do they do? What are they doing? Where are they? If not active then give it to a qualified poster who is active or would willing to be active if they were to become a mod. I also have an issue with a topic of mine on the game board which was locked. It was DEFINITELY a game since as every thread there the rule is to make a new post following the established structure. I had this and Tiexandrea locked my thread for no reason (it was no where near 1000 posts) and never once consulted me about it. Needless to say I was furious and due to a previous argument I had with said mod I wasn't in the mood to talk with them. But before locking a thread you'd think there is following up with the original poster of the thread.

I remember Lykon modding one of my posts and he explained that he understood what I was doing but said it was against the rules and he had no choice to delete it. I respected him for it since he told me he deleted it and even told me why in a nice manner. He wasn't rude and he did his job as a mo. Tiexandrea could learn from Lykon. Lykon is definitely one of the best mods imo despite being one of the most recent ones.

I definitely agree with Broski of the Week about Razer being VERY capable of head mod position. Everything said is true. She cares about this site second only to deebo and is ALWAYS here and involved all over the place. Then after that it is definitely Tofa and Mugshotter tied. They contribute a LOT to the gameplay threads and technical side of the aspect. The strategy section wouldn't even be a quarter relevant without those two. MAJOR props to them. Lykon is right after as he does his job, is friendly and gives you proper reasons for what is going on. Then I would choose Mecha as he's unbalanced. Sometimes he does an awesome job but then sometimes he's one of the most prominent problems on the site (when I was here). Then after it's melee. Melee is casually active last i checked. You need to be active to be a mod. If it ever gets to a point a mod cant be active then a discussion needs to happen and this be remedied either by more appearances or giving up the position. It's not fair to let a mod be a mod when they're not doing they're job just because they once did. If you're not doing the work and making the appearances you shouldn't be mod PERIOD as I said with Tiexandra who this is applied to the most without question. I've talked to many posters and a lot either have never seen Tiexandrea or forgot they were even a mod.

I was thinking that instead of having a head mode of ALL the site. Maybe you should have a head mode of all the forums. That way the group mod system would actually be balanced. Nothing else to say about the other mods as I have no reason to call them out on anything and think they more or less do their jobs. But if I had to pick one mod for you to focus your attention on, it is is Paragon without a doubt. Do something about her ASAP. I would start posting more if she were demoted without question.

[Dragunovice]

Simple, basic, raw, crude, novice- Sunlighter has gone nowhere except downhill. When one is given power and is unable to handle it in the expected, proper manner, things begin to go out of control.

I can't really expound on this any more, so I will echo what has already been said. I've never had personal problems with anyone, but there is much that can be said about unfounded power. Plenty of good people have been run off, just saying.

Hearts! A MosKauwerd <3

[Anon]

I agree with everyone posting here so far.
I actually considered leaving the forum because of Paragon. Her behavior these days puts me off and makes my time on this site less than pleasant. I usually avoid her when i'm here but that's pretty hard to do cause she's already spamming up the place. I know it's a bit hypocritical to say that but as a mod that's hardly appropriate behavior.
The only moderators that I see who are doing their job right is Razer, Tofma and Muggshotter. There are some who are inactive and others who make me wonder why they were mods in the first place.

[TimeForChange]

I totally agree with Anon up there ^^

Well it seems I'm not the only one having a problem with Sunlighter/Paragon.
Everyone else said what I wanted to say, but basically she abuses her power as a mod - by telling people what to do - like if I say a certain word, she'll be all like "Don't ever use that word again" It wasn't even a bad word. And also, If she says something that can affend ( < did I spell that right? ) other users, ex. "Julia's So fug" - then no one does anything about it! But when other users do that, then we get told to stop.
Something seriously needs to be done about all of this.

Anyway, Razer's doing everything right. Razer, If you're reading this (Which I know you are ) Don't change a thing, k?

Imo, I think its time for a new set of mods

[Cloud Reborn]

Okay, pretty much everyone has said everything.. Yeah, you can guess it. Sunlighter.

I'm not against her, she does her job. At some point, her attitude annoys me. It kinda drives me to the point where I feel so offended. Sometimes she can be funny, and sometimes no.

Other mods are doing well. Just that I don't see them a lot. I see Razer most of the time.

I'm not expecting anything drastic. Make a few changes and it'll be fine.

[WeaponXPrime]

man, I'm glad this was finally done; Things HAVE to change in here. not just the mods, the way this place runs in general.
I'm gonna note this before i write the detailed parts:
the current Mod team needs to be removed, only ones that should remain are Razer and Tofma, Mecha is cool too I guess. the rest are either completely incompetent, not contributing enough or too inactive to qualify as a Mod.
(note: im typing this at 3 am and I'm VERY tired so there might be a few typos here and there)


Paragon/SunLighter:
as much as I want to, there's no reason to be beat the dead horse as the previous posters did that for me basically; Paragon is in no way qualified to be a Mod and needs to be de-modded like right Now.
I still try to find the logic of making her a mod in the first place but there just doesnt seem that there was any. She broke multiple site rules, spammed more than anybody and make the most useless posts around and instead of getting a warning of getting banned she became a mod.. what?
Mecha's Mod POWAAHS are just that strong I guess..
Point is, if Paragon doesnt get de-modded ASAP then this is just a joke to try to seem like theyre trying to improve stuff around here.

Tiexandrea:
I have nothing against the dude, but what the hell were you smoking when you made him a Mod? someone that inactive is in NO way qualified to be a mod. I understand that life usually gets the best of us but if you're that busy IRL (or just dont care enough to come here when you have free time) then you shouldnt be a mod in the first place.

Deebo:
While I havent experienced any of this stuff myself and only heard of it as I dont have access to what goes on behind the scenes, but it seems that here lies a very big issue. I'm not mentioning details to respect their privacy, but it seems that many ex-Mods had problems with Deebo and the way he runs things around here. I'm gonna leave it to them to post details on this coz I dont want to invade their privacy.
However the issue that I do know of is that Deebo is somebody that doesnt have the mentality of an Admin. I've seen a few arguments here where Deebo and the other guy start in a simple friendly Debate, and a few posts in you'll see Deebo throwing insults and start name calling while the other side is calm and confused coz it wasnt something to get so bent out of shape for. I'm not gonna dig up some old ones but the most recent one was in the Zafina thread, you're welcome to go check that, there was also another one where Deebo lost a certain argument then got mad and locked the thread eventhough the argument was about something off-topic.
what I'm trying to say is, it seems that we cant argue with you Deebo over any subject or you get taken over by your emotions and act in a manner that isnt fitting of a mod, let alone an admin. which definitely shouldnt be the case as the admin should be an understanding and rational person that truly listens to everyone's opinions and tries to make the best of it to improve the site.

Jurn:
as a person, he's real cool imo and I have no problem with him.
as a mod, I know its his "humor" but the language he uses shouldnt be something a mod is allowed to use. Calling people B****es under any circumstance shouldnt be ok, especially in a sugar-coated site like this.


Mechacide:
Great Mod overall, very contributing, respectful to others and tries to keep professional as much as possible. while I havent seen/noticed any of the bias stuff that was mentioned in this thread before reading it here, it does seem like its true, while that doesnt really seem like a big deal but as a head mod there really shouldnt be any bias in how you operate things just coz you like one character/member more than the other one.
either way he's cool by me. at least he listens when you talk to him.

Muggshotter and Melee:
both are solid mods and are some of the few people that contribute stuff in here, but it seems both are somewhat inactive atm. its been a few months since I've actually seen Muggshotter's posts and Melee pops up every now then, but its still not enough activity to validate them being Mods IMO.

the rest:
I dont have any issues with them, but they need to be more active coz i dont see them enough around here.



the real issue?
the way the site presents itself.
This is supposed to be a Tekken site, yet most the posts in here are random Spam, gifs and stuff that has no relation to Tekken at all.
I've debated leaving alot of times before coz as time passed by, the actual content in here gets less and less, now there's like 4 active threads with actual content and 50 with random social/spam crap. the good members have all left for the most part or rarely post anymore which doesnt help in this case.
TZ is for hardcores and this for casuals, I get it, but recently this has been taken too far and the gap is insane now that there's almost nothing Tekken related about this site anymore, might as well rename it "SpamNation: Now with a touch of Tekken".
We had 5+ active Lars gameplay threads, now all are dead, we had 3 Q&A active threads, now all are dead, we had so many good and useful active threads, now all we have is thinking out loud threads and 10 intro threads for every spambot member.
I've said this a million times before, but seriously the intro thread nonsense has GOT to go, if your thread is at 50 pages then cool everyone knows who you are now go and *****' post in the rest of the site. thats the whole point of that thread anyways, to introduce yourself; Having 10 Threads dedicated to you and you're little group's nonstop spam is beyond ridiculous and isnt needed.
there's already a ****load of threads that do nothing but add to your post count, no need to have ones dedicated to every member to do that too.
the Forum games stuff can be taken down a notch too..
While that wont fix the problems here, it'll be a step in a right direction.


Recommended Mods:
Cosmic_Castaway
Pencey
White Angel or MikeBreezy (if they become active enough, they've been MIA lately)



have at it
Peace~

[Private]

I just want to say that I can really see what people are seeing here about Sunlighter. Honestly, I'm surprised she's still a mod here. I mean, she has even had one of her posts editted before by another mod telling her not to spam. And yes, she's posts nothing, but pictures in her posts a lot and it's just annoying. Honestly, she actually left a bad first impression on me in the first place and I can see why. She probably thinks it's all a joke.

[Random Lurker]

Hi, I am not a registered member but enjoy reading this forum to keep up to date with the all the Tekken news and goings on.

There are two reasons why I have not joined up as a full member, the number one being issues with how the place is run. I have had problems with mod teams on other sites and wanted to avoid joining up to another site where power was just thrown around with very little though of the consequences.

I can only see two mods working very hard: Razer and Tofma. Razer is a pro at locking pointless or inappropriate topics and just in general does a good over-all job across the board and Tofma’s contributions to the strategy section deserve praise.

The rest seem to just enjoy the added benefits of being a mod but ignore the responsibilities and only mod when they absolutely need to or feel like it.

I know everyone is talking about Sunlighter so I do not need to go into detail about that rather large issue but I will add that I find her signatures and attitude highly inappropriate for a mod.

Someone further up in the thread beat me to it but I would like to throw in another recommendation for Cosmic Castaway as a candidate for a possible new mod. In my lurking the board, I have noticed that he seems to have the right attitude for the position and looks to be the type to get things done and take on the moderating responsibility well.

The only other issue I have with this site is the amount of off topic and spam that goes on. Yes, some spam is fun but sometimes reading this site feels like a generic social forum, not a specialized Tekken forum. I know that Tekken Nation is supposed to be more laid back than Tekken Zaibatsu (which was what attracted me to it in the first place) but something needs to be done about it.

But to conclude (I know this is getting too long) basically your moderator line up needs to be dramatically shifted and you really need to do something about this spam, I have heard some people say that they do not even play Tekken yet they post here. Seriously?
- Random Lurker -

[xkillahfantastic]

meele, gotenks, tiex and rocket need to go but its not because they don't do their job(tiex and whore don't) but i dont think they're active enough. the most active ones are xykon, paragon and razer. i only see them closing threads nowadays and mugshotter used to be one of them aswell but has lately been really inactive. i remember when i was new to the forums and i found mecha and tofma the best. they closed threads, helped you out and showed you how to better your game, so they are two who should stay. also, intro sections needs to go. its like a huge msn spamm or you can only have one thread and when its full, thats your last one.

razer has her moments but shes a human afterall and i think shes one of the best mods aswell.

xykon is new but i think hes calm, bit clueless at times and annoying but he does his job and means well.

jurn, really chill guy and is just as active as the other 3 but i dont see him contributing as much as them. he's a calm and relaxed guy and because of that i dont feel like hes a mod but i mean it in a good way.

deebo, you can sometimes come off as very upset or angry when you argue, i would like it if you toned it down a bit man. but you work hard and this is your site.

paragon, stop being a diva. i dont hate you, i actually like you but others do because of that and it will probably cost you your mod title.

leave = meele, tiex, gotenks, rocket

stay = jurn, mecha, razor, tofma, xykon

not sure = paragon, mugg

i dont think its neccasary to kick anyone but rather confront them and tell them to become more active and behave like a mod.

[??]

Everyone's summed up views of Paragon that are negative - my collective thoughts

Every other mod is great, they each do their part to mod imo, but I feel she mistreats her status as mod, and I mean 'above and beyond' mistreats it.

She needs de-modding. Actually, don't. She'll probably never come back if you do that

[Mechacide]

I'd just like to make it clear at this point that this thread is only for feedback on the moderating team. Feedback on AdminDeebo and the site in general should not be expressed in this thread (though there may be another thread for anonymous site feedback sometime in the near future).

Also, I'd like to ask that people try to add some examples and/or evidence to their posts. If you have an accusation against a certain mod, like the abuse of power, please show examples of such. We don't randomly delete old threads/posts, so feel free to search them and link them.

[?? Again]

Mafia Lounge 9.

She started talks about posting pornographic pictures, and that it wouldn't matter if we posted them because no one had to see them. She was highly up for doing it.

I can't post a link because the lounge has been hidden, have a look when it comes back up again, though. I'm sure Mecha or Deebo can have a look nontheless.

[1]

I don't really think Sunlighter is that bad of a mod, but I can definitely see how some people would be really offended by her. I mean, yeah, she gives of the aura of being a little stuck up and rude, but I think that's just because she's a product of her environment. People like her have a sick idea of what perfect and beautiful is, and she seems to apply that to everything- even here. I myself am tired of her bashing Julia, saying things like she's "fugly" and "fat." I mean, Julia is the same height I am (5'5"), but she weighs about 15 pounds less than me. So, what? Does that mean that I'm fat and fugly? I tend to feel that Sunlighter would think so, from the type of comments she posts.

Also, one thing that doesn't really surprise me but I completely disagree with is the idea that Razer is a "great" mod. I'll be honest, I'll take Sunlighter over Razer any day. When I first got here, I noticed just how rude Razer is. She's really let the whole "mod power" get to her head. She talks so disrespectfully to certain users, and I feel like none of us can do anything about it because she'll just abuse her powers on us. She touts her "talent" around and acts like she's better than other people because of it, and she likes to emphasize her ability to "deal with" and "ban" other people like she's some sort of god and we're all little, pathetic mortals. It seems like the only users that she's nice to are the ones who constantly kiss her ass and praise her for her fanfics.

And those "rules" she drew up a while ago? Complete bullshit. She had basically made it okay for other users to insult each other openly just by replacing the insulted user's name with vague phrases like "a certain someone." That's ridiculous. It affected users negatively and it really sucked knowing that, because the user insulting others was a friend of Razer's, nothing could be done about it. I don't see this rule around anymore, and I'm glad for it.

But all in all, my least favorite mod is definitely Razer. It just seems like she's overcompensating for a lack of confidence that she might have out in the "real world" and I'm fed up with it. I've actually considered leaving this site altogether a few times because of how rude and down-right nasty she's been.

[1]

Also, one more thing.

All the mods in general- the ones who lock thread anyway- seem to go about it in a very rude way.

It seems like every time a user makes an unnecessary thread, they have to throw some little insult as to why the thread isn't needed instead of just politely saying "Sorry, but we already have a thread like this here. Welcome to TN, anyway." etc, etc.

They're just all so big-headed and rude!

[TimeForChange]

Well:


She can talk about sluts and ho's, but i read in a different thread that she told other people to stop talking about 'panties'.
what?

also, these are just offensive - to A LOT of people:




even tho the last one was by Xykon, It was really offensive, and they're both mods. So he was basically be-little-ing Little Orchid, Mishimaboy and Dev.