Islam/Muslim Thread

[Rogue_Agent]

I pray mostly at home, I dont drive and the mosque is to far away

Don't drive? I would have thought with an upcoming job you would be ready to take the wheel. I sometimes pray at home, much quicker and efficient. However, the majority of the time I pray at the mosque, many don't pray in the closest one because they believe the "wahabi" pray in that mosque.

[Lia]

@Anna
I understand your feeling because I kinda had similar issue... and now I'll try to learning more about what's right and what's wrong..

@RedDragon
wow... doing fasting in Palestine... just wow...

@Deebo
About "why Jesus is prophet not Son of God" question, if someone asking it I just said that because in Quraan said so, not giving the specific Surah. But if they want to know more than that and I see that person is someone who is open minded one so I will give explanation because in my eyes that's sensitive issue and I'm kind a person who avoid problem with another person especially when most of people who questioned it is someone closed to me like friends and colleagues.

I pray the best for you @Deebo. Do you like doing Shalah Istiharah? I did it long time ago when I graduated from high school and face two different options about entering collage and I got the answer. This time I got to face another two different options again and did it but there's no answer. People said that sometimes its works but sometimes its not. Is it because both of those choices that I face not the best one? Or maybe there's something wrong when I'm doing shalah. What you think?

However, the majority of the time I pray at the mosque, many don't pray in the closest one because they believe the "wahabi" pray in that mosque.

Where do you live Rogue? and what is wahabi?

[Rogue_Agent]

Where do you live Rogue? and what is wahabi?

I live within the United Kingdom and the term "Wahabi" is used to describe people from a different sect of Islam. Some people think that these "Wahabis" don't really exist, because there should not be division in the religion of Islam. If you ask Deebo, he will simply shun them and say that they aren't very good followers of our faith.

[XxRed dragonxX]

i've actually been to jersulaem a few times as well. Easier to get in with an american passport.

Anyways, im wondering what quotes from the quran say anything about dealing with the ignorant. Perferrably ignoarant family. inshallah i'll get all this figured out.

[Lia]

I live within the United Kingdom and the term "Wahabi" is used to describe people from a different sect of Islam. Some people think that these "Wahabis" don't really exist, because there should not be division in the religion of Islam. If you ask Deebo, he will simply shun them and say that they aren't very good followers of our faith.

So what's your views about it?
because I'm one of those people that think "because there should not be division in the religion of Islam."

i've actually been to jersulaem a few times as well. Easier to get in with an american passport.

ah Jerusalaem.. I don't know what to say
It's seems you liked to do some spiritual journeys. I want to do it someday but I don't know when.

[Rogue_Agent]

i've actually been to jersulaem a few times as well. Easier to get in with an american passport.

Anyways, im wondering what quotes from the quran say anything about dealing with the ignorant. Perferrably ignoarant family. inshallah i'll get all this figured out.

Are you a convert, or revert as they refer to them? Is your family still unaware about Islam, and rejected you once you took your declaration of faith?

[XxRed dragonxX]

my whole family is born in islam. none of us coverted into faith. I just started getting serious about the religion a few years back, espically now because im marrying a religious person.

[Rogue_Agent]

my whole family is born in islam. none of us coverted into faith. I just started getting serious about the religion a few years back, espically now because im marrying a religious person.

That a fact? From which country does your family originally come from and tell us your thoughts about your upcoming marriage.

[Rogue_Agent]

So what's your views about it?
because I'm one of those people that think "because there should not be division in the religion of Islam."

My views? I'll tell you something about me, I am an extremely tolerant person, in that not many things can bring my day down in pieces. These "Wahabis" who like to label themselves as Muslims and then at the same time distance themselves from us, can live how they like. Their problems and interests are their own, if it makes them sleep easier at night knowing their people are "special", then let them do so. However, if their interests conflict with ours, then we'll have to put foot to a*s in order to get the job done. Keep in mind, I won't be the one on Judgement Day with a hammer in one hand and ordering people to be condemned to Hell. The Lord will. Remember that

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@ RA

Brother Whabbi a different sect? It is not a different sect brother, this is a misunderstanding. They are just students of a Sheikh called Wahabi. They're not a sect brother, they're just a group of muslims who were taught by a teacher. PPL automatically think that the Selfi's in Saudi Arabia are all in from the Wahabi teaching but thats not true either.


@ Lia

sister well what does Jesus actually say in the Bible? I think it's good to make a comparison to what people claim Jesus was and what was actually said in the bible. That always helps.

@ Red

I was messed up in my youth and I didn't have a clue about Islam. But al hamduliah I feel I have changed these past couple of years but I still need a lot of work.

[XxRed dragonxX]

alright, ill share a bit of my past and my thoughts on the future:

we will start with my past (not exactly a happy topic for me but ill talk about it anyways):
my parents came from palestine, thats where my bloodline orginates. I was born and raised in america myself along with my immediate family. It was typical for us, dad worked all day most of the week, mom stayed at home and raised us to be good people. We were not raised on islamic values but at the same time, we knew enough not to do anything extremely stupid either, so it worked out. I did not know much about the religion, or even my past at the time. I later learned that i was born as triplets and an accident happened where the other 2 twins died and i winded up growing up with a seizure disorder. Its under control now and its all good. My mom is wearing hijab(not sure if its the proper term to use or not), she started wearing it not too long back. I asked my mom why she started wearing it this late in life and she told me one thing "i woke up." 2 out of 3 of my sisters starting wearing it too after they got married as well.

A few years ago, i learned the complete truth about my past and my bloodline, and now, im about ready to put it to rest and walk my own path. I saw the truth and now, inshallah, i will see everything play out right and see it all through to the end.

i met a lot of people, learned a lot from folks, traveled around a bit, got to see a lot of cool stuff. I lived by respecting all people. thats why i made a lot of friends.


Now for my future (something im really looking forward to):

I went back home last summer to find a bride, and after a month and a half, al hamduliah, i found one.

as for my thoughts for the upcoming marriage, im both exicited and nervous at the same time. Im not sure about what the future holds for me and her but inshallah it will all work out. Im currently enrolled in college and work a full time job so im not too worried about finances.

As for her, she is a very kind and nice person. She has a good heart and a good family as well. I believe that she is religious as well. My family is convinced that i will become more religious by 10 fold after a while into our marriage, inshallah. Im still waiting for word on her paperwork so that she can come to the states. Inshallah it gets done soon.
Im also nervous because i cannot dance or do debka to save my life. Is anyone offering lessons on either?

but thats my thoughts so far.

[Rogue_Agent]

@Brother Whabbi a different sect? It is not a different sect brother, this is a misunderstanding. They are just students of a Sheikh called Wahabi. They're not a sect brother, they're just a group of muslims who were taught by a teacher. PPL automatically think that the Selfi's in Saudi Arabia are all in from the Wahabi teaching but thats not true either.

That's not what I was told, but you know how the truth tends to become a lie in the game of Chinese Whispers. Since we are on the topic of schools of law, who follows whom? Personally, I don't have a clue as to who I follow, I just go with the flow.

[Rogue_Agent]

Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us XxRed dragonxX. I am sorry to hear of the loss of your siblings and your disorder. But I once read that Allah hasn't sent down an illness without a cure, so there should be something out there for you. As for your future, I am sure your bride to be will make a very devoted wife. Like you said, you have to walk your own path. We all have to make critical choices that are going to change the course of our entire lives, you've got to do what you've got to do, and I've got to do what I've got to do. A wise man once taught me that.

I was messed up in my youth and I didn't have a clue about Islam. But al hamduliah I feel I have changed these past couple of years but I still need a lot of work.

For some reason, and take no offence of this, I can't see you as a "messed up" person in your youth. I bet the worst crime you ever committed was to steal a penny sweet from the local news agents.

[Lia]

@ XxRed dragonxX

Thanks for sharing your stories, subhanallah.. it's such an inspired story.
and for your marriage, I can't say some inspired words like Deebo or Rogue because my lack of English.
I only can say that I pray for you. Hope your marriage will be the blessed one.

These "Wahabis" who like to label themselves as Muslims and then at the same time distance themselves from us, can live how they like. Their problems and interests are their own, if it makes them sleep easier at night knowing their people are "special", then let them do so.

that's my point why I'm on the this reason "because there should not be division in the religion of Islam" not that I don't accept "Wahabis" or other sect because they viewed Islam different than other Muslim or me. It's their business with God but if that's involve another human... Until now, I still don't get it if there's "group" of Muslim don't want to get help from or don't want to help other Muslim because they didn't have different views, or closed their masjid's doors for someone who not belong into their group, or maybe hate another group or worst ... fight each other. We believe in the same God, read the same holy book so why don't we united? It's supposed to be my simple thoughts but I think it's not that simple.

[Rogue_Agent]

that's my point why I'm on the this reason "because there should not be division in the religion of Islam" not that I don't accept "Wahabis" or other sect because they viewed Islam different than other Muslim or me. It's their business with God but if that's involve another human... Until now, I still don't get it if there's "group" of Muslim don't want to get help from or don't want to help other Muslim because they didn't have different views, or closed their masjid's doors for someone who not belong into their group, or maybe hate another group or worst ... fight each other. We believe in the same God, read the same holy book so why don't we united? It's supposed to be my simple thoughts but I think it's not that simple.

I don't think there is a large amount of violence between the people. The worst I've seen is some Sunni giving grief to a Shia, but that didn't last long either. It is in our nature to think differently and have different views (A factor Allah has given us), and on that foundation are the schools of thought based. Don't worry too much about it, we are all Muslims, we are not perfect practitioners of the faith, but if you think we've got it bad, then you don't want to see the list of churches that the Christian faith have. Those are a truly divided people (no offence to any Christians here).

[*****]

The word Wahabi is misued, Whabi is a person a teacher in fact no one claims to be a wahabi. This is not shia and sunni, this was a person who taught students islam, people get angry with people who seem to be too strict, and so they say: "uh he must be one of those wahabis then".

[Rogue_Agent]

The word Wahabi is misued, Whabi is a person a teacher in fact no one claims to be a wahabi. This is not shia and sunni, this was a person who taught students islam, people get angry with people who seem to be too strict, and so they say: "uh he must be one of those wahabis then".

Lia, I suggest you ask any Islamic-related questions from Deebo, he seems to be more knowledgeable, whereas I, am only going on what I was told as a child.

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@ RA

I am a lot of things that you don't know

everyone knows themselves best

I was honest with myself so I managed to get rid of many things, but I still feel bad about myself

Now my little brother, mashallah he's one of the best muslims ive seen

[XxRed dragonxX]

everyone has made their share of mistakes, i've done my share of stupidity as well. Its whether or not you learn from those mistakes and move on is what matters.

As for my latest acts of stupidy, i blurted out that the kkk can kill the jews during history II and almost started a fight, bad day and being a little heated tends to make you say some stupid things, but im usually better than this. If anyone says anything monday, ill give an apology and make things right.

[Anna Flirttiams]

The word Wahabi is misued, Whabi is a person a teacher in fact no one claims to be a wahabi. This is not shia and sunni, this was a person who taught students islam, people get angry with people who seem to be too strict, and so they say: "uh he must be one of those wahabis then".

Wahabi is an orthodox way of Islam. Extremely strict, I'd say. It still exists in modern world.
I've no problem with Wahabis as long as they dont force their teaching to people outside their will.