Feedback on the Moderating Team

[*****]

Meh Im loyal to my islamic belief, this is obvious by down. When I introduced the rules with regards of what I believe is right and wrong I made it clear were I wanted to go, in regards of modesty etc.
When I ask for someone to prevent a bikini picture or a speedo, I dont feel like im asking too much, as TN is related to tekken and in the end of the day. There are plenty alternatives to go and post with women and men in underwear. The truth is that whatever decision I make there will be people angry, I cannot satisfy both sides, just like any leader.

As for this myth that I demodd users for personal gain, this is not true. The past 3 mods I demodded have been Tricktrap out of request, 13est because he's not here and Shadi who I did not get into one argument once until the very end when she asked me to demodd her, as she no longer seemed interested. Don't believe me ask your friend mechacide since he was there.
It is also expected that former mods would have a beef with me as they would still be modding, but again that would be regarding rules which was there before they even arrived. I think it's fair for the mods to do what is asked of them and adjust to what the rules are rather than the other way round. I did not force the moderators into becoming mods, I gave them the option to hekp out and they accepted knowing what the rules were

Regarding my strict belief in terms of clothing and what not, I have introduced free avatars and signitures, gave u larger signitures, allowed people to choose there banners, and had forums created just to satisfy gamers for games I don't even play, secret mafia forum and spend a lot of my time helping out to make the comic team work. I think im making it fair to everyone. My rules may not be what a lot of ppl want, but it's built TN, were a lot of people have failed, and im sure that telling ppl to clean up here and there is not to big of an ask.

Where you do have point is that I do occasionally get angry with people, but again consistently is needed. It's no good to go out and say deebo has not admin mentality because a few tantrums and then turn a blind eye when your friends do it. True I do it, but when I did I have apologised, just like that Zafina thread you pointed out, I could easily use the "im only human debate here."
It was my mentality which got TN on the map, got Harada posting, more or less of Jun Kazama back. Created a home for those who felt bad regarding other sites, worked practically 24 hours just PM'ing people to ask them to join TN at the very start. Add the updates of domain I need to do, and the political relationships with other sites and admins I created.

As for rules and ppl are still angry with me about it, well I apologise again, I would have thought that after 2 years some of you would have been over it by now, but im not prepared to betray what I feel is right or wrong. I would have though that some of you wold have understood by now and respected that, seeing as the other favours I give u.

[TimeForChange]

Yeah, sorry posting again, but the mods also show favoritism

like, Razer, She can tell someone to stop doing something. But if another user is doing the same thing, lets say.....Cosmic_Castaway - She won't tell him to stop.

Also, Deebo - I really appreciate and respect what you have done for the site. I'm not saying that you're doing anything wrong, but I just think that you should fix some things

please don't take this offensively.

[CC]

I really hope that's just an example, because Razer has talked to me about my behavior before (more than once), not that I was ignorant of how I act in the first place. No need to bring any names into examples like that, as users are not on the chopping block here. Feel free to tear into me though if and when a thread for user feedback is posted (Or by PM ASAP, that's cool too).

[TimeForChange]

Yeah it was an example - but you did act that way in the beginning, but you have now toned your posts down, which fine by me now.

anyway i don't want to go kinda off topic.

[*****]

Yeah, sorry posting again, but the mods also show favoritism

like, Razer, She can tell someone to stop doing something. But if another user is doing the same thing, lets say.....Cosmic_Castaway - She won't tell him to stop.

Also, Deebo - I really appreciate and respect what you have done for the site. I'm not saying that you're doing anything wrong, but I just think that you should fix some things

please don't take this offensively.

yea it's fine im more than prepared to accept liability regarding my rash behaviour I sometimes do. However it must be understood that now A) I cannot satisfy everyone and B) were im coming from in regards to what I can allow to be discussed. If ppl didn't know my background, I hope they understand now, and i think there more than capable to adjust to these simple rules provide regarding clothing.
I don't hold grudges either and more than prepared to give ppl a chance, and this is why I give banned users another chance, so long as they do indeed change. In regards of you wanting me to correct my behaviour then feel free to ask me, in terms of rules which you want, so long as its not modesty related im more than prepared to give a chance through pm.

[flya**jess]

We can post as ourselves right??
Mkay, I as of now don't have any problems with MODS and such but
I'm sure most of you remember the drama and teasing I endured from
not taking shit from anyone.
To be honest ALL the MODS have been extremly out of line at some point in time. I recall users being bashed at the posts they made when
its just an opinion but yet the MODS actually take time out to tell them
how stupid they are. Oh and lets not forget talking shit about users in sigs. I have contemplated leaving TN multiple times but Deebo has talked me out of it every single time. Power does get to your head and the ONLY MODS I haven't seen with this problem are Tofma, xykon, and Gotenks. OH! and Tiexandrea. lol

[flya**jess]

//contiued//
I don't know if I can say anything about Razer as a MOD yet. And right before then she was extremely rude to alot of users. She got the position not long ago and I feel it was out of "favorites" but it could just be me. But I didn't MOD material. *shrugs*
But now she does seem good at the locking of threads, trying to be
civil, recalling rules to those who break them. But other than that its "meh".

[beebee]

I generally find Sunlighter unappropriate as a Mod. She does her job alright, like lockin threads and all that, but her general attitude is unsuitable as a mod, I think.

I realise she is "joking" most of the time, and I admit, sometimes it really is funny- but getting your kicks by putting other people down is just unnecessary. I.e. the stuff about people needing to die irl, supposedly overweight people, etc. Unprofessional, not funny, and not needed.

Being a 'product of her environment' is just an excuse and an act.

Best at modding around and generally doing their job is probably Razer. She's active aswell so that's a plus.

As some have already mentioned- CC would make a good mod, imo. He's contributed plenty to the strat threads and when he's not trolling; he is fair and has a sound judgement of things.

[Zankman Jack]

No need to hide.

First of all, check out the title people. JUST the mod team, nothing else is to be the subject in this thread.

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Now, to begin:
As for myself, I am more or less contempt with my work so far. My "in the middle" timezone + my school and other activities see to it that I come online at a time when most things are dealt with.
For example, in a rare occasion of me coming online in the morning, I locked Dechuu's thread (limit reached). If I hadn't come online then, if I had come online now, like I usually do, that piece of work would already be done. My fault? Hm, sorry for living here and going to school.

I am active essentially every day, I check the whole forum (I can only leave the forum when there are no "red" forum images lol) and I check MOST posts. Recently, however, I've been less detailed and fly across the forum quickly, leave a few posts and go do something else, for I am in a tight schedule. Sorry for that.

When I do have time to effectively mode, and, to be honest, even when I don't, I do what I can, the best I can. I lock and edit what needs to be locked and edited, delete, PM... I always try to be nice and understandable in my actions.

One new user, for example, made a thread in the art section, quad posted and then double posted some more. I merged her 3 posts (and fixed that later double post), fixing her art thread, and I of course told her why. Since she was offline at that moment, I took the liberty of moving her opening post to the profile forum, seeing that it was more suited there.
The Art forum btw, if I recall, isn't my designated area.
To summarize, I do what I can, when I can. I try to be as active as possible, and I think I don't have any negative feedback in that department. I'm still relatively new as a mod, I'm prone to mistakes. Sorry for all errors, I try my best.

As for "TimeForChange", just... Wow. I cannot express my shock at your post... To be clear, the one with the 3 "evidence" images, the one featuring me, of course.

For the love of atheism, you cannot be serious. I have never said and wished anything bad for Dev, LO an MB, and while we are on that page, ANYONE ELSE. That is the most lighthearted of jokes, and it CANNOT be taken negatively. The ones who take THAT negatively should RETHINK it very carefully. It was a playful post in which I indirectly stated my "fanboyism" towards Sunlighter, and to be very clear, the joke itself (and any offensive bits inside it) are WAY out of character. I would never insult or degrade anyone else in order to make myself look better, for any reason. While we are there, I only insult and "flame" on rare occasions, and that is always directed at simply bad people.

I am, like with most people, on a friendly and O.K. basis with Dev and Little Orchid. As for Mishimaboy, I think that I have always been nice to him, unlike 90% of the members here, who hated him so much in his first period here... I never knew why and I have never done what the others have done, again, for whatever reason. It is my understanding that he posted a lot and that he had a rather outlandish theory? Oh my gosh, let him burn! -.-

So, TimeForChange, my point is that I am simply INCAPABLE of being mean and malevolent to people who don't deserve it, much less tell Dev, LO and MB that they are "unimportant". If you have anything negative to say about me, go ahead, but please be correct and fair in your accusations. Everything can be resolved and discussed, if done right.

As for the rest, I thank you for all the kind words. In these previous paragraphs I said what I think objectively about my work, and I come to the conclusion that I am an O.K. mod, but of course, I can improve, like everyone else.

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My input on the rest of things said here:
Tiex and Melee are to inactive, if you ask me. Again, no prob against them, but inactivity doesn't do good. Cuz of this I consider them "on the line", in other words, they could lose their mod status for a understandable reason. I would rather see them more active though, they could keep their jobs then, no problem.

WhoreANG and Jurn are active most of the time, and they do what they get to do. Someone already put me in the same group with them, and I think I agree.

Tofma does his job very well, he is the one in charge for the advanced gaming and strats, no? There is nothing to complain about, he does what he is "payed for".

Muggy (I can't spell his full username rigth) and Gotenks have inactive periods, though they seem to contribute what they can when they are here. They should try to be more active, though.

Razer... No, I don't start my sentence like that because of anything negative, it is just...
Well, I don't get all the praise. We all have negative and positive sides, and personally I don't pay attention and I haven't noticed any negative sides to her. However, I've been told about her negative sides by other people, so I try to keep that in mind (if the things stated are true). My point is, regardless of this, that I don't think that she is "incomparably better" than the rest of us. She is active, she seems to be here on a regular basis, she locks, edits etc., like she should. How does that make her "so much better" than the rest of us? Last time I checked, the rest of us also do that.
Razer, you know that I have no ill thoughts about you, and I have no malevolent goal in this post, and yeah, who knows, you might be the best mod here, but I don't get all these people saying that you are, without any doubt, the best mod. It is good that people like you, far from that, and again, you are a good mod (as far as I am aware), but people should be a bit more precise and level headed in their feedback about you.

Sunlighter... Yeah, people, call her by her name, and not just her, but everyone else. She has expressed (like some others have as well) her wish not to be called Paragon anymore, that should be respected, like you would anyone else.
I think that the problem is, well, that most people simply aren't use to her.
We have to have a comparison: Razer and Sunlighter.
As stated, BOTH do their jobs, quite well as people say. Then why do you all love Razer and hate Sunlighter?
It is no secret that we can't all get along. Some people will simply like Razer, some people will simply like Sunlighter. Some people like Razer's way of posting and general attitude, some hate her way of posting and general attitude... The same goes for Sunlighter, and everyone else, of course.
So, to an extent, you all expressed your dislike for Sunlighter's attitude and personality, rather than her modding capabilities.

SOME of you were objective enough to make a difference between her attitude and personality and her work. Based on what those few have said, yes, I can objectively conclude that in some ways Sunlighter is partially unfit to be a mod.
But, I must stress two things:
1. "Evidence" is needed. We need to be fair people.
2. If it doesn't interfere with her mod duties, how is her attitude and personality relevant?

I don't, in no way at all, agree with her that, for example, the new Lara Croft is fat. However, I don't make a NEEDLESS FUSS about it. Her opinion, my opinion. Sunlighter likes to be blunt and she likes to sometimes disregard other peoples opinions and thoughts. Her loss, our loss, her gain, our gain...
I like Sunlighter because she is, for me, unique, interesting, fun and just plain entertaining. I don't go berserk if she tells me that a model I like is unattractive, a Tekken character I like is uncool or if she doesn't reply enthusiastically to my posts in her thread.

You people seem to be too affected by this forum, the happenings here and the people here. For me, it is JUST a forum. It CANNOT compare and have the same relevance as real life does. I guess we see this differently, which is O.K.

In conclusion, regarding Sunlighter, I think that she objectively has to change a few things in her demeanor, regarding modship. I don't think that she needs to be demoded and whatnot; I still like her and she is still one of my favorite people on this forum. On the other side, you guys seem to be a tad too biased in your judging of her. Leave her opinions be.

She thinks that Julia is "fugly"? She doesn't care that you think otherwise?
It is HER RIGHT.
You use YOUR RIGHT and disagree with her and ignore her. Problem fixed.

[killahxmatic or whatever it was]

getting offended cause someone called your character fat... why are you on the internet? yeah i heard alot of things of razer but in which i agreed with but i think you're a better one of the best mods.

great post xyk

the main problem is that people take the internet too serious and can't differ between blunt opinions and bashing. the easiest solution is to ask her to tone it down but the way people put it out is ridicilous, its almost as if she is bush.

[killahxmatic or whatever it was]

that is some horrible spelling right dur.

getting offended because someone called your character fat... why are you on the internet? yeah i heard alot of things about razer in which i agreed with but i think you're one of the best mods.

corrected it, if possible, fuse this with the other one, sorry for the double post!

[Leekazama92]

I believe a mod should be a person who can be fun,take their job seriously and can be likeable. Sunlighter imo is that not that person. Out of all of the mods, I feel her attitude is a little skew compared to the rest of the mods. Every time I interact with her I don't feel right. It's just a negative vibe about her is just unsettling and quite irritating. She does her job no doubt but when you feel un-welcomed every time you see her post, I don't think that is good for the TN community. Everyone should feel welcomed period, regular member or mod.

[Abhishek]

General attitude needs no "proof". Anyone asking for that is delusional. Sunlighter's attitude isn't like a typical moderator's.

Killahxmatic, I get your point about telling her to check herself, but I've been watching her since she's been here, and to be blunt, she's not the type to change herself.


Also, according to her, something like this for an avatar breaks the TOS -> http://www.animecentral.net/gallery/alb ... GIF009.gif

BUT having this in a signature doesn't -> http://static.tumblr.com/lodj0wa/74Pliq7vd/page3.jpg



Zank - with all due respect, this isn't a mafia game.

[Jurn-]

Just so you guys know, there are more mods than Razer and Sunlighter(who seem to be taking up most space in all of your posts).
So I just want to give all of you a heads up and say that we all appreciate feedback, whether it be good or bad.
Thank you.

[Zankman Jack]

I'm not sure about the gif, but the signature technically isn't breaking the TOS.

Also, with all do respect to you CT, what the hell?
Well, I'm sorry for posting a long, thorough, objective and correct description about EVERYTHING this thread should be about. I don't want to sound full of myself, but I am sure that most things I said are true.

[Abhishek]

Your post was implying that a moderator's behavior to other members and attitude doesn't affect how good of a mod they are. That's totally false. We are not talking about being subjective or objective here. We are seeing if a moderator fulfils some criteria, passes a few litmus tests. A parameter is there, a measuring scale. X fulfils the criteria, X is a good moderator. X doesn't fulfil the criteria, well do the math yourself.

1. Contributes
2. Active
3. Good rapport with other members
4. Behaves like a mod should (polite, unbiased etc)
5. Does the regular mod duties (cleanup etc)

[I Am But A Man, Who Only Has His Dreams]

There are several comments aimed at moderators such as Sunlighter & Razer. They are mostly negative and some things are unexpected and new to a stranger such as myself. But we all are entitled to our own views, and opinions regarding certain issues. If something inappropriate was said by moderators then I am sure those who have received praise will be more than happy to intervene. Like another user has already noted we have the ability to absolve, and the ability to forget, which is ignoring the user. There are differences even within the moderator group. You should not see it as them and us, but instead see it as us (Tekken Nation) full stop. If you are not satisfied, then you should use the foe or friend system, which manages your interactions with members throughout this forum. I hope Deebo would allow for this service to be implemented in a way so that users can choose which moderators they would rather do without. That is all I have to say regarding this matter. Goodbye.

[NT (that stands for NoobTuber in case you were wondering)]

Yeah hey - uhm long time follower first time poster.

I wasn't gonna post here at first but I felt maybe I could help drive the point home.

Sunlighter keeps following me around and posting this everytime I post something in random thread

Thread.

I guess she's trying to say that my posts are horrible, anyway it's stalking and I guess harrasment...sort of...kinda

Me and her have a history.

I was nice to her
She was a dick to me
I left her alone
She became nice to me
I posted something to her
she ignored me
I then left her alone again
she messages me on msn
I think we're cool again so I say something to her again
she this time makes fun of me
I leave her alone
she's nice to me again
I wanna start the random thread
she does it under my nose and makes fun of me
I curse her out cus I'm tired of these games
she gets her boyfriend to ban me

So basically we're kind of enemies, so there is a very good reason to disregard everything I say but listen anyway.
I'm not out to get her, I just really dont wanna see her posts anymore but since she's a mod and I can't put her on my foe list she can basically follow me around and kinda sort of harass me a little bit and I can't do anything about it because she's a mod and that's what she's sort of kinda doing.

I would love it if she could either be de-modded so I can put her in my foe list or work something out so she can stay a mod but I just never have to see her posts again.

I just want her to leave me alone really.

Help

[_Anonymous_]

I see some people considering Razer as a rude mod, which I find weird, because to me, she's the totally opposite. She's friendly to just about everyone. As a mod, she's just doing her job. I don't see how the heck can people consider her as a rude person.

As for Sunlighter on the other hand, she's not a bad mod, and yes, she can be nice. Although, I don't like how she jokes around sometimes. :/ Sometimes, she's just not very nice...I guess you can say that I have a bi-polar relationship with her? It's weird.

[Mechacide]

Just gonna step in again to say: Do not comment on what other people have said in this thread. If you agree or disagree with someone, show it by adding your own take on things, but do not reference other users or posts from this thread. The point isn't to discuss the moderators, it's to give feedback that the moderating team can reference and take something away from.

Changes may occur because of this thread, or they may not, but either way: No discussion.