Re: Most Humiliating way to lose?

[Jin_Jun420]

How about using Yoshimitsu's b+3(or 4) move? I've done that before by accident and ended up losing a good chunk of my health, then I was beaten by the CPU.

thats exactly why I don't use that move.

[A G1ANT SQU1D]

In my experience, decent players aren't hitting you post-KO as some kind of Taunt, but just because they're so hyped up and on point, that because you're currently defenseless they're going all out. If you've ever seen UFC, the same kind of thing can happen after a KO. One guy will be on the floor pummelling the other until the ref finally says "Okay, enough, he's definitely KO'd".

This is good. Well put.

I don't mind the hitting "after the bell" thing so much. I mean, I do it too. What I don't like, though, is when they Ki-Charge after the round. I don't know how many times I've been up 2 rounds to 0 and then they win a round and do that stupid Ki-Charge. I'm like "Dude, you're losing. Stop it.". It just bugs me.

I voted for losing to your main in a mirror match as most humiliating.

[Qeruberosu]

I personally hate when someone uses their taunt (if it looks really retarded) after they beat me like Alisa and Lili players do. Stop that shit, its not as "cool" as you think

About people hitting you after you're already KO'd it isnt usually hate or anything, Its probably just to not cooldown waiting for the next round to start.

Ki-Charge is definitely a taunt lol you already have to be planning to press all 4 buttons xD

[Mechacide]

Yeah, it can be annoying, but that's why they do it; mind-games. If they can annoy you enough by Ki-Charging, they can throw you off your game and cause you to make mistakes. So try not to let it get to you, basically

[A G1ANT SQU1D]

^^^True. I know I shouldn't let it bother me but it does. I need to change that. Although, I'm talking about XBOX live here, not exactly the greatest pool of talent ever assembled (myself included). I don't think a lot of them know the first thing about mind games. I think they just do it to be "cool" or whatever. But I do recall several instances against more fundamentally sound (a.k.a. good) players where it was clear that they were doing it to mess with my head....and it worked. Mind games are an area where I could use a lot of work.

[♥beebee]

People actually taunt to mess with our heads? o.O!

I just do it 'cause it humours me.

[Mechacide]

Something I like to do if someone ki-charges post-round is to ki-charge somewhere in the next round. If you can ki-charge and then manage to pull-off some CH launch or something, that's gonna really hurt their ego. Obviously if you don't want to risk it, then it's better not to, because if you then mess it up, their mind-games have worked

You could always ki-charge back. If you place yourself on their level, you take the power away from them, or annoy them just as much. But at the end of the day, the greatest taunt of all is just winning the match.

[Qeruberosu]

the greatest taunt of all is just winning the match.

No the greatest taunt is panda doing her dance.

People actually taunt to mess with our heads? o.O!

I just do it 'cause it humours me.

Lets keep it real, You just do it cuz ur a douche

[A G1ANT SQU1D]

But at the end of the day, the greatest taunt of all is just winning the match.

Agreed. I mean, if I win rounds 1 and 2, then he wins round 3 and taunts, then I win round 4 and take the match, I gotta believe he's sitting there thinking "Oh....maybe I'm not so cool.".

Ya, Ki-Charging in the middle of the match would be a nice rebuttal but if you screw it up...man, that's embarrassing.

I do use Kuma/Panda, though, and I think their item moves (on a successful hit) are pretty demeaning. Getting beaned in the face with a fish or being sent flailing into the air by a pink bowling ball doesn't exactly do wonders for the ego, I'd imagine. Plus I get a bound combo afterward.

[Furholden]

For bryan, the best way to humiliate your opponent after a KO is using taunt multiple times to juggle them.

Alternatively, a taunt into sonicfang for bryan.

[Tofma]

lee one of the best chars at taunting

b1+2
u3
rose item move
hms dance (3+4, db, 3+4 db, 3+4 db....)

i practice hms dance once in awhile just for that reason

[Mechacide]

Alternatively, a taunt into sonicfang for bryan.

Taunt into bitchslap (u/f+2) is the best.

i practice hms dance once in awhile just for that reason

I've never actually seen that. I might try that out later.

[♥beebee]

Lets keep it real, You just do it cuz ur a douche

Nuupe I do it, 'cause I can. so maybe >.>

[Tofma]

I've never actually seen that. I might try that out later.

i got the command wrong its...

fc 3+4 db fc 3+4 db fc 3+4...you can replace the db with df

EDIT:dam i just noticed...fc 3+4 doesnt have any startup...you can do any hms move instantly

[TN XsPlosiiV3]

Losing to Miguel's "Burla". When people beat me with that I'm just like (In that order). Also, I hate losing to button bashers. I mean they're so annoying, they do a combo on you. Then when you ask them to show you it again, they can't because they cannot play the game correctly.

[Tofma]

so you lose to ppl that cant play the game "correctly"...hmm...i wonder what that makes you

but because you said youve lost to miguels burla (im assuming its his UB) im guessing youre just trolling

[TN XsPlosiiV3]

so you lose to ppl that cant play the game "correctly"...hmm...i wonder what that makes you

but because you said youve lost to miguels burla (im assuming its his UB) im guessing youre just trolling

Burla is the name of his move. I'm certainly not trolling. Regarding "not correctly" that was because I couldn't think of a word to describe how button bashers play.

[Mechacide]

Burla is the name of his move. I'm certainly not trolling. Regarding "not correctly" that was because I couldn't think of a word to describe how button bashers play.

Tofma's point was that it doesn't matter if someone plays the game "correctly" or not, because winning is winning. A decent player will never lose to button-bashers. The best way to beat a button-basher is to be patient, and punish the unsafe stuff they throw out. You can't fight them the way you fight decent players, because mind-games don't work on mashers, and they're unpredictable, so you can't read them at all. Of course, you should throw out plenty of unsafe stuff, too, because you can bet they won't be able to punish (except maybe with jabs).

TL;DR:
- Be patient
- Punish unsafe moves
- Throw out unsafe stuff/crazy stuff
- Forget about mind-games and mixups

[Tofma]

i find the best way to deal with mashers is to just rush them down completely

there was one DJ player at insomnia that couldnt stop hitting f12d21f3d21d3f so i just hit him with jab->hopkick->juggle->->mist trap W! ender-> another hopkick as he gets up

as for mindgames not working on noobs. its called beginners luck
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/7-yomi-s ... -mind.html

this is an example from virtua fighter but it can be applied to tekken

Spoiler: show

"Let’s say Akira knocks down Pai. As Pai gets up, she can either do a rising attack (these attacks have the absolute highest priority in the game) or she can do nothing. A high rising attack will stop any attack that Akira does as she gets up, but if Akira expects this, he can block and retaliate with a guaranteed throw. Pai does the rising kick and Akira predicts this and blocks. Now the guessing game begins.

Akira would like to do his most damaging throw (that’s his m), and be done with it. Even though the throw is guaranteed here, all throws can be escaped for zero damage if the defender expects the throw and enters the throw reverse command. The throw is guaranteed to “start” but Pai might reverse it. In fact, Pai is well aware that a throw is guaranteed here (it’s common knowledge), and it’s only obvious that Akria will do his most damaging throw. After all, this situation has happened a hundred times before against a hundred Akiras and they all do the same thing. It’s really conditioning, not strategy, that tells Pai she needs to do a throw escape here (that’s her c1). In fact, it will become her natural, unthinking reaction after a while.

Akira is tired of having his throw escaped again and again. He decides to be tricky by doing one of his very slow, powerful moves such as a double palm, a reverse body check, a two-fisted strike, or a shoulder ram (we’ll just lump all those into c2). Why does a big, slow move work in this situation? First of all, if Pai does her throw escape and there is no throw to escape, the escape becomes a throw attempt. If her opponent is out of range or otherwise unthrowable for some reason, her throw attempt becomes a throw whiff. She grabs the air and is vulnerable for a moment. One important rule in VF is that you cannot throw an opponent during the startup phase or the hitting phase of a move. So if Akira does a big, powerful move, he is totally unthrowable until after the hitting phase of the move is over and he enters recovery (retracting his arm or leg).

Back to our story. Akira is tired of getting his throw escaped all day, so he does the standard counter to any throw: a big, powerful move. This c2 move does a decent amount of damage, by the way. The next time this whole situation arises, Pai doesn’t know what to do. Her instincts tell her to reverse the throw, but if she does, she is vulnerable to Akira’s slow, powerful move. Rather than go for the standard reverse, Pai does her c3 move: she simply blocks. By blocking, she’ll take no damage from Akira’s powerful move, and depending on exactly which move it was, she’ll probably be able to retaliate.

So what does Akira do if he expects this? In fact, he needs no c4 move since his original throw (m) is the natural counter to a blocking opponent. A throw is a special kind of move that grabs an enemy and does damage regardless of whether they are blocking. It’s specifically designed to be used against an opponent in block who is afraid of an attack.

In summary,

Akira has throw and powerful, slow move.

Pai has throw escape and block.

As I tried to show, it’s actually pretty reasonable to expect players to be thinking on yomi layer 3, 4 or even higher. It’s because conditioning makes doing the throw escape an unthinking, natural reaction. But against a clever opponent, you’ll have to think twice about doing a standard throw escape or blocking. The Akira player will do the occasional powerful, slow move just to put his enemy off balance and abandon his instinct to escape the throw. Then Akira can go back to his original goal: land the throw.

Another very interesting property is “beginner’s luck.” Notice that a beginner Akira in this situation will go for the throw, since that works on other beginners who haven’t learned to throw escape. The beginner Akira will never land the throw on an intermediate player, though, since the intermediate player knows to always throw escape. But strangely, the beginner will sometimes land the throw on the expert because the expert is aware of the whole guessing game and might block rather than throw escape. Of course, the expert will soon learn that the beginner is, in fact, a beginner and then he’ll be able to yomi almost every move."

[Mechacide]

i find the best way to deal with mashers is to just rush them down completely

That can work well, too, obviously. Sometimes when I'm rushing down a scrub, though, random things will get through. That's probably just because I jab too much, though...